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Edward II and Isabella/Reaction to the comments of Kathryn Warner[EdwardthesecondBlogspot]

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KING PHILIP THE FAIR, FATHER OF ISABELLA OF
FRANCE
Isabella of France.jpg

A 15th-century depiction of Isabella
ISABELLA OF FRANCE
HISTORICAL IMAGE
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FICTION
ISABELLA OF FRANCE DAUGHTER OF THE FRENCH
KING PHILIP IV, THE FAIR
WIFE OF KING EDWARD II,
MOTHER OF THE LATER KING EDWARD III
SISTER TO THE SUCCEEDING KINGS
LOUIS X OF FRANCE, PHILIP V OF FRANCE, CHARLES
IV OF FRANCE
SHE IS ACCOMPANIED BY HER LADY IN WAITING, JOAN
DE GENEVILLE [DE JOINVILLE, OF FRENCH DESCENT],
WIFE OF ROGER MORTIMER, LATER LOVER OF
QUEEN ISABELLA
IMAGE FICTION, FROM THE FILM
”LES ROIS MUADITS” [THE ACCURSED KINGS]
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ISABELLA OF FRANCE, FICTION, FROM
THE FILM ”LES ROIS MAUDITS”

QUEEN ISABELLA OF FRANCE, DAUGHTER TO THE FRENCH KING
PHILIPS IV [LE BEL]
HISTORICAL FICTION
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ROGER MORTIMER, 1ST EARL OF MARCH, PARTNER
IN CRIME AND MOST LIKELY LOVER OF QUEEN ISABELLA
OF FRANCE
Isabella and Roger Mortimer.jpg

15th-century manuscript illustration depicting Roger Mortimer and Queen Isabella in the foreground
ROGER MORTIMER AND QUEEN ISABELLA ON THE FOREGROUND
15TH CENTURY HISTORICAL  IMAGE

HISTORICAL IMAGE
HUGH LE DESPENSER THE YOUNGER, [ALONG WITH HIS
FATHER, THE ELDER] FAVOURITE TO KING EDWARD II,
WHO DIED A HORRIBLE DEATH AT THE ORDERS OF
QUEEN ISABELLA AND [MOST LIKELY] LOVER
ROGER MORTIMER AFTER THE INVASION OF
ISABELLA AND MORTIMER, WHICH LED TO THE DOWNFALL
AND FINAL DEATH OF KING EDWARD II

EDWARD II AND ISABELLA IN FICTION/REACTION TO THE
COMMENTS OF KATHRYN WARNER [EDWARDTHESECONDBLOGSPOT]
ABOUT ”THE SHE WOLF OF FRANCE” BY MAURICE DRUON

This [rather long] article is divided in

A

KATHRYN WARNER’S POSTS

B

HISTORY OF THE FIRST HALF OF THE FOURTEENTH
CENTURY/
ENGLAND AND FRANCE

C

MY COMMENTS ON THE POST OF KATHRYN WARNER
ON HER BLOG: EDWARDTHESECONDBLOGSPOT

D

TEXT OF KATHRYN WARNER’S POST, ON WHICH
I COMMENT
TO MY READERS

In this article, for the second time a critical comment
on historian/writer Kathryn Warner’s remarks about
the historical novel ”The She Wolf of France”, from
the French historian/writer Maurice Druon.

See her comments

http://edwardthesecond.blogspot.nl/2006/05/edward-ii-novel-of-week-2-she-wolf-of.html

Below I give  my readers a further explanation
about Warner’s posts as well [what’s more important!]
background information about
the first half of
the fourtheenth century, regarding France and England.

But who knows already a lot about this
historical period, skip directly to

”MY COMMENTS ON THE POST OF KATHRYN WARNER
ON HER BLOG: EDWARDTHESECONDBLOGSPOT”

For the rest of my readers

ENJOY THIS TRAVEL TO THE PAST AND READ BELOW!

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The She Wolf of France by Maurice Druon/Reaction on the comments of Kathryn Warner/EdwardthesecondBlogspot

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KING PHILIP THE FAIR, FATHER OF ISABELLA OF
FRANCE

Isabella of France.jpg

A 15th-century depiction of Isabella
ISABELLA OF FRANCE
HISTORICAL IMAGE

iImage result for she wolf of france

FICTION
ISABELLA OF FRANCE DAUGHTER OF THE FRENCH
KING PHILIP IV, THE FAIR
WIFE OF KING EDWARD II,
MOTHER OF THE LATER KING EDWARD III
SISTER TO THE SUCCEEDING KINGS
LOUIS X OF FRANCE, PHILIP V OF FRANCE, CHARLES
IV OF FRANCE
SHE IS ACCOMPANIED BY HER LADY IN WAITING, JOAN
DE GENEVILLE [DE JOINVILLE, OF FRENCH DESCENT],
WIFE OF ROGER MORTIMER, LATER LOVER OF
QUEEN ISABELLA
IMAGE FICTION, FROM THE FILM
”LES ROIS MUADITS” [THE ACCURSED KINGS]
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ISABELLA OF FRANCE, FICTION, FROM
THE FILM ”LES ROIS MAUDITS”

QUEEN ISABELLA OF FRANCE, DAUGHTER TO THE FRENCH KING
PHILIPS IV [LE BEL]
HISTORICAL FICTION
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ROGER MORTIMER, 1ST EARL OF MARCH, PARTNER
IN CRIME AND MOST LIKELY LOVER OF QUEEN ISABELLA
OF FRANCE
 
 
 

Isabella and Roger Mortimer.jpg

15th-century manuscript illustration depicting Roger Mortimer and Queen Isabella in the foreground
ROGER MORTIMER AND QUEEN ISABELLA ON THE FOREGROUND
15TH CENTURY HISTORICAL  IMAGE

HISTORICAL IMAGE
HUGH LE DESPENSER THE YOUNGER, [ALONG WITH HIS
FATHER, THE ELDER] FAVOURITE TO KING EDWARD II,
WHO DIED A HORRIBLE DEATH AT THE ORDERS OF
QUEEN ISABELLA AND [MOST LIKELY] LOVER
ROGER MORTIMER AFTER THE INVASION OF
ISABELLA AND MORTIMER, WHICH LED TO THE DOWNFALL
AND FINAL DEATH OF KING EDWARD II

 

 

THE SHE WOLF OF FRANCE/REACTION ON THE COMMENTS
OF KATHRYN WARNER/EDWARDTHE SECONDBLOGSPOT
UPDATE
Kathryn Warner has, in my view a great factual knowledge
of the Edward II period [first half of the fourteenth century] but
sometimes a poor insight in the historical events or human reactions, as shows itself in her comments on ”the She Wolf
of France”
Her arguments often lack  historical depth.
By the way, Kathryn Warner deleted my comment……
Silly, in those Internet times…………..
TO MY READERS
INTRODUCTION
As you will see, I’ll give a reaction on the comments of
Kathryn Warner, historian and writer of among else
”Edward II, an Unconventional King” and
”Isabella of France” [wife of Edward II].
Actually, she reacted on an historical fiction novel
”She Wolf of France”, about Isabella of France, fifth
in a series about the French Royal House in the first half
of the fourteenth century ”The Accursed Kings”, referring
to the ”curse of the Templars”
[See under Philip IV]
Below you will see her post [on her website] as my comment.
But I realized, that you only can follow the discussion, when you
know something of the background.
So underlying you find information about Isabella of
France and her father, King Philip IV
But who knows already a lot about the French and English history in
the beginning of the 14th century, in casu the history of Isabella of
France and her father, King Philip IV, can skip this information
and go directly to
MY COMMENTS ON THE POST OF KATHRYN WARNER
ON HER BLOG: EDWARDTHESECONDBLOGSPOT
If not, read the following for more information:
AND ENJOY THE TRAVEL TO THE PAST!

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[Article of Conor Byrne]/The forgotten Countess, Anne Beauchamp, Countess of Warwick

 

THE FORGOTTEN COUNTESS, ANNE BEAUCHAMP, COUNTESS
OF WARWICK
SEE WEBSITE CONOR BYRNE

Sunday, 8 November 2015

The Forgotten Countess: Anne Beauchamp, Countess of Warwick


Above: Anne Beauchamp alongside her husband Richard Neville, earl of Warwick, in the television series The White Queen.

 

 

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[EdwardthesecondBlogspot]/The death of Piers Gaveston

 

 

Today is the 696th anniversary of the death of Piers Gaveston, run through with a sword and beheaded at Blacklow Hill, Warwickshire, on 19 June 1312.The story of Piers’ death – abducted from the earl of Pembroke’s custody by the earl of Warwick and killed in the presence of the earls of Lancaster, Hereford and Arundel – has been told so often I’m not going to bother repeating it here. Instead, I’ll look at some lesser-known aspects of the whole sordid business.

 

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[EdwardthesecondBlogspot]/Edward II’s other great favourite, Hugh Despenser the Younger

This post is about a man I’ve always found absolutely fascinating: the man who was the de facto ruler of England for much of the 1320s, until his hideous execution at Hereford on 24 November 1326. In a recent poll, he was voted most villainous Briton of the 14th century, and got 9% of the vote for the worst Briton ever! Let’s face it, a man who extorted money and lands from rich widows (including his own sister-in-law), who became a pirate when he was exiled from England, and who was almost certainly the lover of his wife’s uncle, is waaay more interesting to write about than a man who helped little old ladies to cross the road (though maybe he did that too, who knows?)

 

 

 

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[Lady Despenser’s Scribery]/Who was Despenser the Younger? In a (very large) nutshell

 

The Early Years

The exact date of Hugh’s birth is not known but it was most likely between 1286 and 1290. He was the eldest son of Hugh Despenser (the elder) who was the son of another Hugh (the even elder) who fought alongside Simon de Montfort against Henry III during the Baron’s war of 1265. He was killed by Roger de Mortimer (grandfather of the Roger de Mortimer who became Queen Isabella’s lover and deposed Edward III) at the Battle of Evesham, thereby starting a feud between the Despensers and the Mortimers which was to have deadly echoes decades later. His mother was Isabelle de Beauchamp, the daughter and sister of two of the Earls of Warwick, so he was certainly well connected.

 

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Edward II/Relationship of Edward and his wife Isabella/Did Edward II neglect his wife?/Reaction on the Facebookpage of Kathryn Warner ”EdwardofCaernarfon”

 

 

 

 

 

 

A man in half figure with short, curly hair and a hint of beard is facing left. He wears a coronet and holds a sceptre in his right hand. He has a blue robe over a red tunic, and his hands are covered by white, embroidered gloves. His left hand seems to be pointing left, to something outside the picture.

Portrait in Westminster Abbey, thought to be of Edward I
EDWARD I OF ENGLAND, ”LONGSHANKS”
THE ”HAMMER” OF THE SCOTS
KING EDWARD II, THE TRAGIC KING
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EFFIGY OF KING EDWARD II IN GLOUCESTER CATHEDRAL

Initial from the charter granting Gaveston the earldom of Cornwall, showing the arms of England at top, and Gaveston’s coat of arms impaledwith those of de Clare below.

INITIAL FROM THE CHARTER GRANTING GAVESTON THE EARLDOM OF CORNWALL
Guy de Beauchamp.jpg

Guy de Beauchamp standing over the decapitated body of Piers Gaveston. From the 15th-century Rous Rolls.[1]
A MACABER SCENE
THE DECAPACITATED BODY OF PIERS GAVESTON,
EXECUTED BY HIS TWO MAJOR ENEMIES, THOMAS,
2N DUKE OF LANCASTER AND GUY DE BEAUCHAMP,
10TH EARL OF WARWICK
GUY DE BEAUCHAMP IS STANDING OVER HIS
DECAPACITATED BODY
Guy de Beauchamp.jpg

Guy de Beauchamp standing over the decapitated body of Piers Gaveston. From the 15th-century Rous Rolls.[1]
GUY DE BEAUCHAMP, 10TH EARL OF WARWICK, GREAT ENEMY
OF PIERS OF GAVESTON, FAVOURITE OF EDWARD II
TOGETHER WITH THOMAS, 2ND EARL OF LANCASTER,
THE EARL OF WARWICK HAD PIERS GAVESTON EXECUTED
AFTER ABDUCTING HIM
HERE IS GUY DE BEAUCHAMP IN A MACABER SCENE, STANDING
STANDING OVER THE DECAPITATED BODY OF PIERS GAVESTON
Thomas of Lancaster Executed

EXECUTION OF THOMAS, 2ND EARL OF LANCASTER, THE
GREAT ENEMY OF PIERS GAVESTON AND LATER, THE DESPENSERS

Seal of Henry of Lancaster from the Barons’ Letter, 1301, which he signed as Henricus de Lancastre, Dominus de Munemue (Henry of Lancaster, Lord of Monmouth). His shield couche shows the armorial of Plantagenet differenced by a bend azure (see below)

SEAL OF HENRY, 3RD EARL OF LANCASTER,
BROTHER TO THOMAS, 2ND EARL OF LANCASTER
BOTH SONS OF EDMUND CROUCHBACK, BROTHER TO
KING EDWARD I AND UNCLE TO EDWARD II
MOST LIKELY OUT OF REVENGE FOR THE EXEXUTION
OF HIS BROTHER THOMAS [SEE IMAGE ABOVE]
 BY THE DESPENSERS AND THE KING, HENRY
SIDED WITH QUEEN ISABELLA AND ROGER MORTIMER
AGAINST KING EDWARD II AND THE DESPENSERS
HENRY IS THE ANCESTOR OF BLANCHE OF LANCASTER
[HIS GRANDDAUGHER], WHO MARRIED JOHN OF GAUNT
[THIRD SON TO EDWARD III]
JOHN OF GAUNT BECAME THE 1ST DUKE OF LANCASTER
SO HENRY WAS THE ANCESTOR OF THE HOUSE
OF LANCASTER
Isabella of France.jpg

A 15th-century depiction of Isabella
ISABELLA OF FRANCE
HISTORICAL IMAGE

QUEEN ISABELLA OF FRANCE, DAUGHTER TO THE FRENCH KING
PHILIPS IV [LE BEL]
HISTORICAL FICTION
Image result for roger mortimer
ROGER MORTIMER, 1ST EARL OF MARCH, PARTNER
IN CRIME AND MOST LIKELY LOVER OF QUEEN ISABELLA
OF FRANCE
Isabella and Roger Mortimer.jpg

15th-century manuscript illustration depicting Roger Mortimer and Queen Isabella in the foreground
ROGER MORTIMER AND QUEEN ISABELLA ON THE FOREGROUND
15TH CENTURY HISTORICAL  IMAGE

HISTORICAL IMAGE
HUGH LE DESPENSER THE YOUNGER, [ALONG WITH HIS
FATHER, THE ELDER] FAVOURITE TO KING EDWARD II,
WHO DIED A HORRIBLE DEATH AT THE ORDERS OF
QUEEN ISABELLA AND [MOST LIKELY] LOVER
ROGER MORTIMER AFTER THE INVASION OF
ISABELLA AND MORTIMER, WHICH LED TO THE DOWNFALL
AND FINAL DEATH OF KING EDWARD II
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Edward III as head of the Order of the Garter, drawing c.1430–40 in the Bruges Garter Book
KING EDWARD III
HISTORICAL IMAGE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDWARD II/RELATIONSHIP OF EDWARD II AND
ISABELLA/DID EDWARD II NEGLECT HIS WIFE?
REACTION ON FACEBOOK PAGE OF KATHRYN
WARNER ”EDWARDOFCEARNARFON”
Yes, Edward likely neglected his wife.
I will explain below what lead to my repeated statement about the
neglection of Isabella by her husband King  Edward II,
since I had already answered this  in my last article.
BUT FIRST THIS:
Yesterday I travelled with you to the past, writing about
And coming back to 2015, I have a need to travel to
Edward’s time again.
Accompany me and enter the world.

 

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[Lady Despenser’s Scribery]/The flight and capture of Hugh Despenser and Edward II

 

Invasion

When Isabella, Edward’s estranged queen, and his foremost enemy, Roger de Mortimer landed on British soil near to the manor of Walton in Suffolk on 24th September 1326, Edward was taken by surprise. Not so much by the invasion itself, as he had been preparing for such an event for the past couple of months – but that the force they brought with them was so small. It consisted of about 1500 soldiers (exiled Contrariants and Hainault mercenaries) – hardly enough to constitute a great threat. However, if Edward thought his wife and Mortimer’s rebellion a pathetic gesture, he was soon forced to think again.

 

 

 

 

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[EdwardthesecondBlogspot]/Piers Gaveston’s second exile

 

Edward II recalled Piers from the exile imposed on him by Edward I immediately after he heard the news that his father was dead, on 11 July 1307. Piers was back in England by early August, and Edward created him earl of Cornwall on 6 August, possibly without Piers’ prior knowledge – or so Edward would claim in letters to the Pope and the king of France the following year. (Edward can’t entirely be trusted here, however – he also claimed that he made Piers an earl at the urging of his barons – which was emphatically not the case!)Edward also arranged Piers’ marriage to his (Edward’s, not Piers’, obviously) niece Margaret de Clare, which took place on 1 November 1307, but which had been planned for months – the charter granting the earldom of Cornwall to Piers on 6 August was decorated with the de Clare arms as well as Piers’ own. Piers had an annual income of £4000, making him one of the richest men in the country.As though all this wasn’t bad enough – making the younger son of a minor Gascon noble a wealthy earl and a member of the royal family by marriage – Piers dominated Edward’s favour and attention. According to the contemporary Vita Edwardi Secundi, Piers “alone found favour in the king’s eyes and lorded it over them [the English barons] like a second king, to whom all were subject and none equal. Almost all the land hated him..his name was reviled far and wide…he was an object of mockery to almost everyone in the kingdom.” The comment that Piers was ‘like a second king’ is echoed in other chronicles – the (later) Meaux chronicle called him “almost a king” (quasi rex) and the canon of Bridlington claimed there were two kings in England.

 

 

 

 

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[EdwardthesecondBlogspot]/Edward II’s Coronation oath, 25 February 1308

 

 

Sire, volez vous graunter, è garder, &, par vostre serment, confermer au poeple d’Engleterre les leys, & les custumes, à eux grauntees par les auntiens Rois d’Engleterre, voz predecessours droitures & devotz a DIEU; & nomement les lois, les custumes, & les fraunchises, grantez au clerge, è au poeple par le glorieus Roi seint Edward, vostre predecessour? Jeo les grante & promette. Sire, garderez vous à DIEU, & seinte eglise, & au clerge, & au poeple paes, & acord en DIEU entierment, solonc vostre poer? Jeo les garderai. Sire, freez vous faire, en touz voz jugementz, ovele & droit justice & discretion, en misericorde & verite, à vostre poer? Jeo le frai. Sire, graunte vous à tenir & garder les loys & les custumes droitureles, les quiels la communaute de vostre roiaume aura esleu, & les defendrez & afforcerez, al honour de DIEU, à vostre poer? Jeo les graunte & promette.

 

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